Vu+ Solo VuJ board position

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    Johnny B. Technical Support Staff Member Moderator

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    If you have the VuJ chip module for your Vu+ Solo clone box then it's handy to known how it must be connected.
    So therefore I have made a picture from it.
    Enjoy..

    Click on the picture for a full view if you like.

    VuPlus-Solo-VuJboard-Position.jpg


    Drawing has been updated for the Solo V2 and Solo V3 VuJ board/chip position.
    Thanks to the member Wo66 for helping and testing the V3 Solo box with the VuJ chip.
     
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    My Solo Clone has 7 pins connected on the SyncOS board (30.000) so I have 7 pin socket NOT 6. I have plugged all pins into the socket and the LED on the board lights as on your image. My box still does not boot original images. Please advise.
     

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    Hi,
    If you have a 7 pins socket then you can just plug the board into the socket, only with a 6 pins socket the last pin is not used.
    But I have updated the picture with both connectors showing.

    If the box just works with the older v3 syncmos chip, but failed with the japhar VuJ chip then I have no other option to think that the VuJ chip board fails.
    But if the VuJ chip board just works on the older clone software, but fails with the original software than is seems to me related to the type boot loader.

    Nevertheless, I had no trouble with the VuJ chip when tested, it just worked after swapping it with a v3 ferrari chip and old image files.
    And was just working when I uploaded several original files written for the Vu+ Solo.
    Thus, to me it seems that the VuJ chip board issue, if it's not decode while the V3 ferrari chip does.
    But for that I need to know if the box just works fine with the V3 Ferrari chip.
     
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    I can boot to OpenPli 4 with Japhar or My Ferrari board in. Both will not boot with an updated OpenPli 6.1 version (even when listed as Ferrari), or Openatv Japhar 6.2..

    I have updated the bootloader using Solo CFE.rar from Vuplus.com.

    Can you point me to a version you think should work? That you have used for reference to ensure I'm not getting the incorrect outcome due to bad image?
     
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    I'm right now not be able to do some testing, but tomorrow I can.
    As for the boot loader, the Solo CFE from the VuPlus site seems to me a boot loader for original boxes which I never had tested onto a Solo clone box.
    Normally it should have worked fine with the boot loader 2.0 for the ferrari solo boxes as the one I will give the usb version.
    As for the original boot loader, I need to test it tomorrow.

    One tip, to see if or how it failed it's wiser to monitor the box with the serial port.
    Also, if you don't have a Jtag cypress board for jtag the box, then it's wiser not to play with the boot loaders.
    If it's goes wrong, then the only option is to Jtag the board.
     

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    I've just compared the Cfe files, and they are identical, so to me it seems to have noting to do with the loader.
    Tomorrow I will do some testings with the latest openatv and openpli original files.
     
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    Thanks JB. Let me know which image to flash once you have completed your tests so I can verify it is the Japhar board that is the issue.
     
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    Take out the motherboard and take a photo with the VU J board inserted, so we can see the top and the button of the VU+ Solo motherboard, to be sure all connections are OK.

    Also try to boot the working image as you wrote the v4 was working, without the VU J board at all (and no other board), to see if the image boots and works without security board at all.

    TS

     
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    Based on the crystal pins, and card slot position, and comparing it with mine box, it seems to be correct.

    And yes I've finished my test on my vu solo box equipped with the VuJ board.

    First test was the openatv-6.1-vusolo-20180805 image file which is the latest from today.

    As you can see, it works fine..
    OpenAtv-vusolo-vuj-test-01.JPG

    So also the network has no issues...
    OpenAtv-vusolo-vuj-test-02.JPG

    With other words, it works without any issues with the VuJ board.
    Only the first startup may take a while before it's ready.
    OpenAtv-vusolo-vuj-test-03.JPG

    And then the test with the lates Openpli, openpli-6.2-release-vusolo-20180730

    Uploading by Usb...
    Uploading-vusolo-vuj-openpli.JPG

    Starting up for the first time may take a while..
    OpenPli-62-vusolo-vuj-test.JPG

    And.. Just working fine,
    Network etc. no problems..
    OpenPli-62-vusolo-vuj-test-01.JPG

    Tested with four satellites,
    OpenPli-62-vusolo-vuj-test-02.JPG

    Thus all working perfectly with the Vu Solo equipped with the VuJ board.

    But what now, why do you have issues with it, this I can only guess.
    Lets check the differences..
    The box I have is old, It's a V2 version with a 6 pins connector.

    I assume yours is a V3 board version, and as you already have told, a 7 pins connector.
    This, I have never tested, simply because I had never got a V3 solo box.

    What could be the difference, well I think, but of course not sure that it may have to do with the pins 6 and 7.
    The ferrari V3 syncmos board does not use the pin 6, only the 7th pin which is the ground.
    The VuJ board, pin 6 and 7 are both grounds.
    So, maybe..... but of course not sure if it is because to know it for sure I need to measure the pin 6 from a V3 solo clone board.
    But mayby if you disable the pin 6 from the VuJ board, it may be the solution.
    The VuJ board will/should still working because it still gets his ground from the pin 7.

    If you want to know it for sure, then you need to remove the VuJ board and measure the pins on the motherboard with ohm measurements, between the ground and the values from pin 6 and 7.

    Suppose that pin 6 gives a value, but not a ground value, but pin 7 does, then this could be the case why it fails with a V3 board 7 pins version.

    If pin 6 and pin 7 from the motherboard gives both a ground value, then it has no use to disable the pin 6 from the VuJ board.

    If that is not the case, then it could be a defective VuJ board.
     
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    I have sent an image above of the board from the top. The PCB label states V1.0 2010.04.29. You can see the Japhar Board at the bottom.
    I will take out the board and take an image of the underside to see the tracks and check voltage when live.
    I have downloaded the OpenPli Images the same as you tested so we can compare outcomes.
     
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    You don't have to remove the motherboard, an ohm measurement comparing from the connector pin 6 and 7 should be enough to know if pin 6 on a V3 motherboard has another function than a ground function.

    When pin 6 has no ohm value between the chassis and pin 6, then it's not connected.
    When pin 6 has a ohm value between the chassis and pin 6, then it's connected.
    When pin 6 has a ohm ground value between the chassis and pin 6, then it's connected to ground and thus it can not be the issue of the problem.
     
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    The ferrari card in my Vu solo has different connections to pins 56 and 7 so unlikely to not be used on the main board.. see the image I attach.
     

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    I have also just tried a version of OpenAtv 4.1 which boots with the Ferrari but does NOT boot with the Japhar card in. openatv-4.1-vusolo-20140721_usb_Ferrari_V3a
     
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    I also have this board (ofcourse) but pin 5 has nothing to do, it's the Scl pin and the same as the VuJ board.
    If it's a security board issue, then it can only be due the pin 6.
    On the ferrari v3 chip it may not connected, with the VuJ chip it is connected to the ground circuit because on a V2 it's pin 6 which is a ground.
     
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    Yeah, then it could be that the VuJ chip does not work.
    Or due the pin 6, or defective.
     
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    I've just checked impedence on sockets 6 and 7. Pin 7 is GND zero ohms (20k multimeter), Pin 6 is 6.5 ohms.

    Looks like Pin 6 is connected.

    Shall I send back the Japhar board for you to test?

    I have ordered another Sat box .. so this is for test purposes now..
     
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    You are welcome to keep the Japhar and I'll send the Vu+ Solo and Ferrari if it helps?
     
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    Fine by me but first just cut the pin 6 from the VuJ chip board, and see if it works.
     
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    OK - this is different. With the Ferrari in the system boots to logo, Large Icon indicates network activity, smaller icon as graphics card increases resolution then.. channel clears and all ok.
    With Pin 6 connected before the Boot Logo came up - no icons to show network activity.. Pin 6 lifted out (bent back to ensure no connectivity).. Boots to Logo, Large Icon circles, then smaller icon.. but does not clear channel (SNR 0%).. Rebooted and repeated above to confirm - Ferrari clears, Japhar does not..
     
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