Doesn't boot

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    Yes that is, because they are soldered to/between the same circuits.
    Only when you measure the smd caps itself while it is removed, and it measured as if it shorted, than can you assume that this smd cap is defective.
    However if that is, than it's to my idea impossible that the box starts up with a shorted cap of the 1v circuit.

    Therefore I had not the impression that you had a issue with this 1v circuit, and more the idea of a bad cap, or related to heat.
     
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    Yes when caps removed and check them, caps are allright. I still can't understand if caps solder pads is shorted what is the purpose of it.it won't block ďc voltage
    Please let me know
    Thank you
     
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    It depend if your measurement device is accurate enough to measure/show low ohm values.
    An short is 000 ohm, and my brand new working board gives 08.3 ohm which is close to, but not shorted.
    Why it is can only be tell if there was a schematic from it.
    What I can do tomorrow is to measure it again wit several measurements devices to see/check if it's accurate.
     
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    U809 ohm value between pin 1 ground and pin 8 voltage out is as on the measurements drawing, 08.3 ohm
    it starts with around 23 ohm and load to eventually 8 ohms but lets say 10 ohms or something close to it.

    ohmSnap1.jpg

    If you still measure it lower than this, than you may assume that you have a short circuit with it.
    But it will difficult to find or even may impossible because on the print side it is not to see were it goes as you can see on this picture, and by seeing this you may assume that the tracks to/from it are inner layers, so therefore not to follow.

    pcbSnap1.jpg

    But by other receivers with these low voltage, it is mainly related to the cpu, and may also be related with the memory.
    In any case, hoping for you it has no shorting, otherwise it may not repairable.

    What I would do is repair this dc to dc section, replace the removed parts, or put them back if possible and hope for an unexpected miracle.
    Other option is to feed the output with an external 1v Dc source, or a 12v to 1v dc to dc module, but that may maybe not without risk.
     
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    Thank you
    R820.r817 ohm values please and
    To where 6th pin of u809 connected.is ir r817 ?
    Thank you
     
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    6th pin of u809 is indeed connected to the resistor r817
    As for the r817, that's a zero ohms resistor as you can see on this voltages overview, but r820 resistor values I need to measure it, tomorrow.
     
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    Just as I already thought due the output table of the voltage output resistor values setting , in this case to 1v which is to see in the datasheet, is the r820 resistor values 5k
     
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    Misplaced c840 what is the value and size please
    Sorry to trouble you
     
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    c840 = 22uF
    size, since it must fit between two legs the 0402
     
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    20210525_063906_01.jpg Screenshot_20210525-064440_Drive.jpg According to schematic r1 1nd r2 connected to pin number 4
    Is r1 and r2 is R820.r817 ?
    In the circuit R820.r817 connected to pin number 5 and 6 respectively.
    I want to know values oft
    R820.r817 please?
     
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    The datasheet example is not always the same as on a motherboard, as you can see on the recommend coil value 4.7uH and the motherboard 1.5uH.

    Com pin 5, and En pin 6 are not connected to each other as also not the same as on the motherboard.
    There are some basic rules howto connect it as the resistor value for the 1v output, but as for the rest there is some space for the designer to design the dc/dc circuit.

    Also keep in mind that in this case the dc/dc ic is switched on/off by the En pin, but by other receivers this is not always the case.
    As also there are several types of ic's, at least two, this has SO-8.
    The one this is, is with one output pad (LX) and therefore are pin 7/8 Lx NC Not Connected in the chip.

    >I want to know values oft
    >R820.r817 please?

    Not sure why you asks this resistors again while it already were given.
    r817 0 ohm
    r820 5k
     
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    Update:- now u702 ,u809, no control and output voltage
    u201 has no out1,out2
    Wat may cause
    It does not do anything only white led is on
     
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    The U201 needs the 5v in, to work and will only be active when the board starts up..
    And the U702 is for the fan, it has always the 12v in, but again is only active when starting up.

    The U809 is only activated when it has the 4,9 (5v) from the U705 pin 11 to the EN pin 6, just as you can see on the voltages overview drawing.
    In any case, check the U809 EN pin if you have the voltage to it to Enable it.
     
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    Yes u809 has 4.94v
    Fan is not working u702 doesn't have control voltage
     
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    U201 out1,2 ,is in mega ohm range
    U702 out resistance is also 1.4 k range
     
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    Yeah well questions about the U702 etc are a bit risky to answer because these were measured from a good working motherboard.
    Since yours has issues, as with the U809 it seems to me that you first need to solve that before messing around with other dc/dc converters.

    Maybe the U809 become not active due a interrupted connection of one of the parts.
    I have here a nice overlook of this converter.
    Duo2-U809-info.jpg

    Check if all the connections are good.
     
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    Yes all connections are correct except for c in value which is 900uf or something. Is that affecting the circuit please?
     
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    If you're talking about the 22uf, and you're using an 800uf, it seems illogical to me to want to do that.
    Whether it's the reason for it not working, I can't say.
    But it seems to me that it can affect the agnd.
     
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